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March 28, 2008

Creationism: It’s Evolving Into An Intelligent Debate

Filed under: Religion — dangrdave @ 12:44 pm

Just a reminder, in case you aren’t aware, Ben Stein’s new docu-movie, “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed,” will be out in theaters on April 18. I’ve seen a trailer for this, and it looks like it will be a very interesting and thought-provoking journey into a relevant debate. Whether you believe in creationism or in evolution, I think that this movie will explore the side of the issue that normally gets dismissed without a serious inquiry. I personally believe in creationism, as, is said in the Bible, the whole of creation truly reflects the glory and majesty of God. I believe that the sun, the moon and the stars, along with the mountains and the seas could only have been created by the design of an awesome God. And, I believe that man indeed was created in the image of an awe-inspiring, benevolent God…not in the image of a baboon.  We humans do tend to sometimes monkey around a bit, but, despite our flaws, we were created by God. However, so that I don’t receive negative replies to this posting, I will admit of a certain degree of evolution. In one extreme instance of evolution, we can see that, from a few small bogs on the east coast, simple, single-celled organisms slowly began their evolution into IRS tax agents. Speaking of which, remember to file your taxes or flee the country by the 15th – that’s three days before the release of Expelled!



  1. This films’ main thesis, that anyone in the science community who believes in God, or is a Darwin dissenter is being “expelled” is false at its core.

    In a New York Times interview, Walter Ruloff (producer of Expelled) said that researchers, who had studied cellular mechanisms, made findings suggestive of an intelligent designer. “But they are afraid to report them”.
    Mr. Ruloff also cited Dr. Francis S. Collins, a geneticist who directs the National Human Genome Research Institute and whose book, “The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief”, explains how he came to embrace his Christian faith. Mr. Ruloff said that Dr. Collins separates his religious beliefs from his scientific work only because “he is toeing the party line”.

    That’s “just ludicrous,” Dr. Collins said in a telephone interview. While many of his scientific colleagues are not religious and some are “a bit puzzled” by his faith, he said, “they are generally very respectful.” He said that if the problem Mr. Ruloff describes existed, he is certain he would know about it.

    Similarly, Dr. Ken Miller is a professed Christian who wrote “Finding Darwin’s God” (which I suggest you read). Dr. Miller has not been “expelled” in any fashion for his belief in God.

    The movie tries to make the case that “Big Science” is nothing but a huge atheist conspiracy out to silence believers, but only presents a very one-sided look at some of the Discovery Institute’s “martyrs”.

    Carolyn Crocker “expelled”? – No.
    Her annual teaching contract was not renewed. Was she “fired” for daring to bring God into research? – No. She was hired to teach Cell Biology, and she decided to ignore the schools’ curriculum and substitute her own curriculum.

    Guillermo Gonzalez “expelled”? – No.
    He was not granted tenure. The film doesn’t bring up the fact that in all his years at ISU he had only brought in only a miniscule amount of grant money. Nor does it bring up the fact that in all his years at ISU he failed to mentor a single student through to their PhD. Nor does it mention that in his career at ISU, his previous excellent record of publication had dropped precipitously.

    Richard von Sternberg “expelled”? – No.
    Sternberg continues to work for NIH in the same capacity. Of course the movie doesn’t bring up his underhanded tactics in getting Meyers work published.

    This movie attempts to influence it’s viewers with dishonesty, half-truths, and by a completely one-sided presentation of the facts.

    If a scientists’ research is not accepted by the scientific community, it isn’t because the scientist either believes or doesn’t believe in God or Darwin, it is usually because they are producing bad science.

    Comment by Benjamin Franklin — March 28, 2008 @ 2:00 pm

  2. Benjamin Franklin,
    Nice spin. After years of observing this battle & hearing the sometimes vicious verbiage from the evolutionists I am aware of the spin put on the firing & ostracizing of a dissenter.

    Comment by Auntie L — March 28, 2008 @ 2:21 pm

  3. To start, I enjoyed the comment about the IRS tax agents.. very nice. Now, I’m not trying to start a fight or piss you off, but there’s a question I have wondered about for a while now. There are many Christians whose argument against the Big Bang Theory is simply that it sounds too ridiculous to be true. My immediate thought has always been, it doesn’t sound any more or less ridiculous than a higher power that you’ve never seen or spoken to (actually spoken to, not felt a breeze and “knew” it was him) creating everything. How does one dismiss as simply ridiculous the theory that actually has some scientific proof behind it, while embracing the theory that has nothing but faith behind it?

    I’m not trying to get into an argument about which one is right or wrong, and I know that not all Christians present that argument that I’m questioning. It’s just really bugged me so I thought I would ask for your opinion on it.

    Comment by Thomas — March 28, 2008 @ 2:31 pm

  4. Aunty L

    Who, exactly, has been fired for dissenting with Darwin?

    Comment by Benjamin Franklin — March 28, 2008 @ 4:15 pm

  5. I happen to hold completly with evolution, and that we were created by God. As was everything else around us. The entire universe is the handiwork of an almighty and wonderous Lord.

    However, “creationsim” does not deal with the concept of a universe created by God, but with a universe created by God as depicted in Hebrew mythology. It insists that it’s viewpoint is the only valid viewpoint without merit, proof, or even a tested hypothesis, while rejecting all other fields of study or spiritual belief.

    If evolution teaches anything on a spiritual level, it is that creation was not a one-time event, but something that continues moment by moment. Wherever God breathes the breath of life, He creates, and continues to create. I personally find this concept a beautiful one, representative of an active, involved God.

    While I have nothing against people who want to believe in creationism, I do not want it forced upon me or my children – and that’s exactly what creationsim seeks to do. It is not about teaching about God. It is about prosetylising Christianity. There is a very, very big difference.

    Comment by Ghosty — March 28, 2008 @ 4:34 pm

  6. In speaking of religion, since Benjamin Franklin (one of my favorite Americans) has posted two comments, we can skip the whole question of whether there is life after death.

    Thomas, to be honest, I don’t know all of the answers about what actually occurred when the universe was created. The Big Bang may very well have occurred, but what precisely caused it to occur is the thing that I want to know. God, being completely independent of time, could very well have snapped his fingers, and at His Word, the universe could have come into being. I can think of no other reason, no other power in existence, or before existence, that could create a universe from nothing in an instant. So, the Big Bang may well be true, but I personally choose to believe, by faith, that there is a purpose to everything, that existence isn’t just some random accident. Now, to be sure, I try not to get bogged down in things like how long creation actually took. Six days to God may not have been the same as six days to us, and dinosaurs certainly aren’t central to my faith. A lot of time may have passed between God’s “Big Bang” and our being created (follow this link for some interesting reading: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201908,00.html), so I certainly am in no position to speculate as to how all of the pieces tie together. What I do know, though, as you stated, is that it takes faith. I have faith that we are here for a purpose; and, by faith, I believe that God exists, that He is in control, and we were created in His image.

    Comment by Dave — March 28, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

  7. […] Filed under: Knee-Slappingly Funny — dangrdave @ 3:09 pm As I mentioned in a past post, Ben Stein’s new Documentary, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, will be in the theatres this […]

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